Pastor Profile: Bishop Clarence McClendon

Church: Full Harvest International Church (South Bay)
Hometown: Decatur, Illinois
Family: Wife, Priscilla, father of four
Broadcast: Founder/president of Clarence E. McClendon Ministries (CEMM), which sponsors the weekly international TV broadcast ‘A Miracle for You’; also in the cast of “Preachers of L.A.”
Website: www.bishopmcclendon.com

Q: You’re gearing up for your “Spirit of Prophecy” Conference later this month—what do you hope to accomplish with it?
A: The prophecy convention is one of three annual conventions we do every year. The theme of Spirit of Prophecy is taken from Revelations 19:10, “The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

What that verse actually means in the original language is the evidence that Jesus is alive and with us is what the spirit of God continues to reveal Him to us in fresh ways that are related to our time.

People hear the term ‘spirit of prophecy’ and they think Armageddon. No, this is the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the church—the spirit of God revealing to the church the Lord is saying now for this time in this season, and we believe each year there is something schematic that God is emphasizing to his body and we have a part to play in that.

What’s great about the convention is the time that we are ministering and establishing those connected to this audience to what we believe the spirit of the Lord is saying to the church.

Q: People still remember your Harvest Fire Crusades, will you bringing that back or is this conference a progression of that event?
A: Harvest Fire served its purpose in its day. We are doing another conference in August, which will be held in Atlanta, as the modern incarnation of Harvest Fire— that’s our major conference of the year.

Harvest Fire was a long time ago. People were still doing 7-8 day meetings at the time. Those days are over unless the Holy Ghost extends the meetings past three days and of course, we’re certainly open to that.

Q: You’ve said you knew at seven that you were called to preach, what made you so sure?
A: I heard the voice of the spirit of the Lord call me. I went to my father, a pastor, and asked him how do you know if God is calling you to preach and he said, “You’ll know if it stays with you. It never leaves you.”

Some people hear an audible voice. Some people have the spirit of the Lord reveal something to them. Some people are saved and just go for it. But if you’re called of God, I believe there is a significant moment when you recognize that. I received the call from God at seven. I knew beyond the shadow of any doubt I was called at eleven.

Q: How have you changed in the years since you’ve come to Los Angeles?
A: My vision has always been global. There has always been a tremendous evangelistic worldwide thrust to the vision God committed to my care. Coming to Los Angeles confirmed it and expanded the vision in me for a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic church and ministry.

At that time there was over a 110 or so languages in the Los Angeles area and I recognized that God literally brought the world to Los Angeles.

To have an effective ministry in Los Angeles, I believe, at least for me, my ministry had to cross culture. That is one of the most significant impacts L.A. has had in my ministry and in me,— a need for a cross culture and multi-ethnic community.

Q: What is the biggest challenge for Clarence McClendon today?
A: One of the biggest challenges is assisting people in recognizing that the church at large is shifting in its paradigm. We are in the mist right now of a global charismatic and Pentecostal reformation that is no less significant than when Martin Luther nailed his “Ninety-Five Theses” [centering on practices relative to baptism and absolution in Catholicism] to the church door. There is a fuller disclosure of the revelation of the person of Jesus Christ. The greater challenge is helping people move into what Jesus is saying to his church and releasing the performance based Christianity of yesteryear.

Q: Are you on track with your goals?
A: I believe I am. We’ve had to spend a number of years laying an Apostolic foundation for a fresh move of the spirit of grace. One of the things I believe enabled us to function in our first incarnation in Los Angeles, the way we did as quickly as we did, is that we were building on someone else’s foundation—the foundation was already laid there.

When I moved I had to lay my own foundation and that has taken some time, but I believe that we are on track. And I’m certain than in the next several months that people will recognize how global our outreach has become.

Q: What kind of preacher would you characterize yourself as?
A: I am a prophetic revelatory preacher.

Q: What do you believe the future holds for you and Full Harvest?
A: Stay tuned. By April or May of this year people will be seeing a full manifestation of what we believe the Spirit of the Lord is directing us to do. Here and elsewhere. We just opened a global ministry office in London that will be assisting us in our ministry to the U.K and even Africa. We are looking at facilities in the rest of the continent. There are some very interesting things that are happening right now.

Q: What would the teenager you were when you and your brother crusading around the country preaching think of the man you’ve become?
A: That young man would be absolutely amazed at what Jesus is actually able to do with a life that simply desires to say yes. He’d be amazed, not surprised, because even the good is so much better than I anticipated and the challenges are also so much harder.

Q: What is your biggest joy these days?
A: Seeing my youngest son, Seth, have love and adoration for the things of God.

Q: What would you say is your biggest accomplishment to date?
A: Is that I am in still in love with Jesus of Nazareth.


Pastor Profile: Austin Avery • Total Deliverance Church

Pastor_Avery_AustinHometown: Littlerock, Arkansas; raised in South Central L.A.
Church: Total Deliverance Church of Lancaster; the fastest growing church in the Antelope Valley with 1,500 members
Education: BA at Faculty Theological Seminary of Montebello, & attended Southern California School of Ministry.
Married: To First Lady Shannon; father of three
Website: www.totaldeliverance.com

Q: When did you first receive the call to preach?
I was called to preach in October of ‘93. I had officially joined a church; I had just come off the streets.

I used to be one of the biggest drug dealers in California. I was gang banging and everything, but I had joined the military, because I’d been looking for a way out so I began to go to church and to really seek God for truth because I knew I didn’t want to be that old person anymore.

My mother was a crackhead and my father had somewhat abandoned us in my mind when he moved to a whole different state. Plus I had two younger brothers to look out for so I had to do what I needed to, to survive, but I had a praying grandmother. I joined the military and got hooked in with the Islamic faith, but I still had that empty void like I was always incomplete.

My cousin invited me to church back in ‘92 and I ended up getting saved right around in November, and then a year later I was seeking the faith of God and right around October ‘93, the Lord called me to the ministry. I became ordained in 1998.

Q: Those are some big challenges to overcome.

A: It’s amazing to me. It’s nothing that I did, so I take no credit for it. God has been very gracious to me. I survived a whole lot of things that I should not be here to even testify about, but by the grace of God I’m still here.

When God called me to pastor in 2000, I didn’t want to pastor. But when I asked him, “Are you calling me to pastor?,” I just needed my assigned territory. That’s when He gave me the Antelope Valley.

I was a little nervous. I didn’t know where Lancaster was. I had to look it up. Once I looked it up, I found out the racial history of Lancaster and learned it was the headquarters for the Skinheads. But I was determined to obey. The only challenge ended up being getting qualified personnel as the church grew.

Q: What would you say your preaching style is like?

A: I have more of a expository style of preaching that’s the kind of style that I do, I am a teacher preacher or a preacher teacher, I’m really uncut—like this is how it is, right up in your face. The young people say “I keep it one hundred.” I’m very transparent. I belive in just being open and honest and that’s how I preach.

Q: What are your strengths as a pastor?

A: My transparency, because I believe that people are churched out. They’re preached out and I believe they are seeking some type of realness. And when they can see that you are transparent, and that you’re trying to do the best with what you have, and you answer to God, it encourages them to do likewise.

Q: Would the people you went to high school with be surprised at the man you become today?

A: Amazed. It ‘s funny you should ask that because I recently came across two or three individuals who moved out here after high school. I hadn’t seen them in over twenty years and they just happen to be driving down the street and see the church sign with my name on it. They came in to see if it was the same guy, and when they see me they are absolutely amazed. They cannot believe it. They figured I’d be dead or in jail by now.

Q: What are the rewards of the ministry?

A: When I see hope come into the lives of hopeless individuals and when I see that sparkle of “maybe I can make it,” especially when they’ve been so beat up by life. A lot of them come in because they are like me—looking for a way out. But they just didn’t know how to get out.

The Lord has really blessed us to be a transformation station and we’ve been transforming lives, so when I see someone who’s just totally turned their life around, that is the greatest reward for me. It can’t get any better than that.


Pastor Profile: Rev. Rethis Murry • St. Mark AME

Rev_Rethis_M_MurryChurch: St. Mark AME
Hometown: Los Angeles
Education: B.A. from CSULB; University of Phoenix; just enrolled in Omega Bible Institute & Seminary in Louisiana for MA of divinity.
Married: to first lady Eva.
Children: Proud father of Todd Howard Jr., 27, who runs their day care; Mia Murry, 22, who attends Gremlins State University; & Justin Murry, 21, a sophomore at American University in Washington DC

Q: St. Mark is your first senior pastoral assignment—how did that come to pass?
A: I guess it was just my time. Some people were very instrumental in helping me finally get an appointment: Dr. Allen Williams, senior pastor of First AME Pasadena; Rev. John Cager, pastor of Second AME church; and of course my mentor, Dr. Cecil “Chip” Murray. I still talk to him on a weekly, if not daily basis, and any kind of issues I have, he’s my rock. No one achieves anything without the help of somebody else. We have a lot of preachers and only 50 churches in this area. So when Rev. T. Larry Kirkland called my name I just sat there.

Q: What have been the challenges?
A: I didn’t know what I was getting into when I got there. The person who opened up the door told me I had eleven members but eight of them were resigning. “Nothing personal, they don’t even know you, but they’re moving on.” I thought man, God has a sense of humor, because it’s like, “this is what you wanted, this is what you worked hard for.” The place was in disarray. It didn't look like I thought a church should look like. And I’m not going to lie, my first day I cried because I love God so much. I called my wife and she came; we looked at each other and gave each other a high five and said “we got this.”

We went through all our contacts and Aundrae Russell from KJLH helped by getting it on the radio. I had about 60 people come that Sunday and 16 people joined. And those 16 people are still with us today as I go into my second year. We have about 80-90 young people and 225 members total. It's a good mixture of people. Very diverse: White, Hispanic and Black.

Q: You grew up the son of a legendary singer—what was that like?
A: My mom is one of the original Clara Ward singers, Vermettya Royster. Her history speaks for itself. She used to hang out with Tina Turner, Ray Charles, opened up for the Jackson 5. Not too many kids can say they were able to hang at the Jacksons or be around Diana Ross.

But it was lonely. She had to leave me with my grandmother and my aunt, which was the best thing. They did a good job in making me feel like the sixth child. They were my brothers. I called my aunt momma. I called my mother mimi. To see my mother I would have to wait and look at her on TV on Johnny Carson, the Grammys. I went one whole year without seeing her. That was hard.

When she got re-married she was in Jet magazine. It was a big issue because she was with the Sister’s Love at the time and had the No. 2 song “Are You Lonely.” I would walk to school and hear the song from different cars. I never lived with my mom but if I had to do it all over again I wouldn't change a thing. I never wanted my mother to feel that she had to stop her career, so I just endured.

How many people can say they played basketball with Jermaine and Tito in Encino? Tina Turner would always come to my house when my mom was there. On 85th and Central where nobody would go. That's how I saw my mom, her stage presence. I love her dearly.

Q: What about your dad?
A: I didn't meet my dad until I was 22. He was in the military and they never let me know until I started asking questions. They told me where he lived and I went to see him. To this day my dad and I have a good relationship.

Q: When did you know you would be a preacher?
A: I grew up with five cousins. We had a garage I used to go in and organize and from age six up to nine years old I used to preach to the furniture. They used to always tell my grandmother “he’s in the backyard playing.” She said, “don't play with the Lord,” and I said, “I’m not playing.”

God was always in the house. Sunday morning everybody got up we had to go to church, it wasn’t an option.

I got baptized when I was 16. At that time I had a huge afro and I didn't even have a change of clothes. No one told me what was going to happen I just went on my own and they put me in that water. But I got discouraged because this lady told me—and that's why you have to be careful what you tell young people—“No, you didn't come up speaking in tongues. This didn't really work you’re going to have to attend these classes.” She vexed my spirit. So for about three to four years I just stayed away from the church until I went to First AME when pastor “Chip” Murray had just gotten there.

Q. When did you accept your calling to the ministry?
A: I accepted my calling while I was at First AME. It was something I did not want to do. But no matter what I did I heard “I need you to preach.” Then came the confirmation. I walked into Pastor Murray’s office and he said “I see a calling on your life.” He didn't even know me at the time. He went into his file cabinet. He had a list of individuals that God gave him through prayer that were going to get into ministry. I hadn’t even had a one on one with this pastor but my name was on the list. But I still didn't jump in. It took me at least nine years.

Q: What is the greatest lesson you learned as a pastor?
A: Another thing I learned through Pastor Murray is you have to be there yourself. You have to care enough to be there. One of the Hispanic families was going through court issues and I was there every step of the way. The only black person but I was there. I just love people. I care about people. It doesn't matter whether you look like me or not. We rent the church out to a Hispanic congregation. But I don't treat them as tenant, they’re family. And in return they’ve helped beautify the church. Church has to be more about family. I could turn it into strictly business, but would God be pleased? So we celebrate the differences.


Pastor Profile: Pastor Don Herron

Church: Kingdom Seekers Prophetic Ministries
Education: Texas Southern University; L.A. Trade Tech
Status: Single father of one

Q: When did you receive the calling?
A: Strangely enough, I was already a preacher. I had already accepted my calling as a pastor for about ten years, and I got a second calling from the Lord. I had never heard of a second call because nobody preached on a second call. But the second call was to be a prophet as well as a pastor. I was in school teaching classes. I was trying to put a kids show together. I heard a voice say, “Start the church.” So when I went to name the ministry, I was going to name the church a basic name like Baptist, Methodist Church of God in Christ or a non-denomination. Then the Lord said to me at that moment, He said call it “Prophetic.”  The first calling was a pastor; the second calling was a prophet.

By the second time I didn’t run from the call. It’s like Jonah, Jonah wasn’t running from his calling, he ran from his assignment. See the difference? He ran from the assignment, like your job has an assignment you don’t wanna do the assignment but you got the job. I already was a pastor/preacher in the sense that I accepted call number one, but the assignment to be a prophet, I wasn’t trying to hear that. So I was running from the assignment.

Q: When did you start Kingdom Seekers Prophetic Ministries?
A: I started the church in February of 2012. The process of building the church was very difficult because I had no real following of people. I walked into an empty church and just prayed over the place. And everybody who said they were coming—nobody showed up. He said, “Go back again.” Then the people showed up the second time and I’ve been there ever since. But it was embarrassing. I walked into an empty room, but I was obedient.

Q: What is the major difference between a pastor and a prophet?
A: Pastors want to bless and tell you good things and everything is going to be alright and don’t worry; your blessing is around the corner. We don’t say that. We tell you what’s going to go wrong. But prophets give you a choice, believe it or not. That’s the difference right there. And we’re rejected people.

Q: What is your approach to preaching?
A: My approach is what they call Eschatology—the end times.  We’re living in an age of the end times. That’s another reason people are falling away from the church because the word of God says it would be so.

The signs are happening all around us right now.  But again people fall away from church because nobody’s speaking on that especially in the black church. They’re teaching what they feel and dissertations and dissecting, studies, but they’re not saying this is so. I am a person who understands the times that we’re living in. I understand when the nation is headed for trouble and nobody’s saying anything.

The days of prosperity were the days before now. Money is not increasing. It’s decreasing. God has seasons, seasons of prosperity messages are ending and the days of the prophecies to tell you now is beginning. Prosperity messages are coming to an end. Now people want to know well where do we go from here, that’s when your prophets come in, that’s why prophets are here to guide the people through the last days.

Q: What is your challenge?
A: For people to hear me and believe. I have the same challenges the old prophets had in the Old Testament. When you speak, nobody believes you. My heart hurts when people don’t believe. When they tell me, “That’s not going to happen!” They believe more in their personal lives. And now I have offended them because I didn’t say what they wanted me to say. That’s my challenges because they are adults, they’re grown, they’ve been to church all their lives, and my message is not matching. But I’d rather take the rejection and the words, in order to be publically heard by everyone, so that the church grows.

People are hungry now for prophecy.  They want know what’s happening in the world, what’s going on with the president, and what do we do? They don’t want to just hear it’s going be an OK day.  So the answer is just simply to seek out those who have a word from God in regards to the days we’re living in. Certain prophecies are fulfilled to let us know that the church is in trouble; the church’s days are numbered. The church is going to go through an hour when they’re going be rejected by the world, that’s about to happen.

Q: What were you like as a child?
A: I was a very God-fearing kid and very gifted, in many things: singing, writing music, things like that; I could do all of those things. I was not a troubled kid, I didn’t get spankings and whippings, that didn’t even happen. I was a very obedient person. I had a great childhood. My father was a pastor. I was the last of eighteen kids. And I was the only boy that answered the call out of eighteen.


Pastor Profile: Rev. Sherman A. Gordon

Family of Faith Christian Center

Q: When did you get the call to preach?
A: I was fifteen. While most kids were playing sports in the backyard, my favorite thing to do with my friends was to have church. Whenever my friends came over we would play basketball but after that we would have to have church and I would always end up being the preacher. One time in the midst of playing church, the Holy Spirit truly fell down and my mom came out of the house. I thought I was in trouble, but she said, “I came outside because you’re really preaching, boy.” And that was it I just knew early on that God was calling me into this arena to be a preacher and use my voice to reach people.

When I went off to college I was still ministering. When I graduated I had to make a decision: Would I go back to the church I grew up in? Or would I go into a new denomination? Which was Methodism. I decided to go into Methodism and serve as a youth pastor for one year. At the age of 25 I organized my first church.

I pastored New Philadelphia AME for thirteen years. That church is still located in Carson CA. I’m proud to say that I went there in 1997 and organized a church and we grew it to about 2,500 people. I just sensed that my time was up. God was calling me to do a new thing so I branched out on my own and I organized Family of Faith two years ago.

Q: What Is your approach to preaching?
A: My preaching style is a motivational word, inspirational word, encouraging word to uplift you. I tell everybody life is going to beat you down enough so the last place you need to come is to church and be beat up some more. A lot of my sermons are about You Can Overcome. We are faith driven as our name implies. I give you the teaching before I give you the preaching. We shout at the end and we celebrate at the end but it’s better to know why we’re celebrating and why we’re shouting.

Q: What are your biggest strengths?
A: I’m an organizer and a planner, evident by the fact I’ve started two churches. I’m a visionary. I have no problems coming up with ideas and I’ll pass them on to you.

Q: What has been a challenge you have had to overcome in your life?
A: Outside the births of my two wonderful children, the moment that turned my life around was about six years ago when I went through one of the most rockiest moments in my life—I divorced after thirteen years—and I never thought that would happen. My faith in God had to become that much more solidified. In the midst of standing before people and going through my pain, I had to minister to them and say, “As I’m coming through it you’ll come through your issues as well.”

I preached that no matter what God can bring you through and to come to a season where two people are no longer on the same page was very difficult, but I had to trust God and let everybody know I was human. We both liked balance and we didn't have balance. I was ministry and my wife was family. Sometimes we get so sold out for what we’re doing for God and the church that we think that as long as we’re doing those two things it's OK. But no, God gave us family, gave us friends and gave us other things to enjoy so finding balance in life is important.

Q: Would those you went to high school with be surprised at the man you’ve become?
A: My dad was a pastor and I was trying to be Mr. popular and make my friends laugh, but I also noticed people always came to me when they had problems and issues. They were like, “Sherman can you pray for me?” That only escalated when I joined our speech and debate team—some people would say I reminded them of Dr. King. So then they really would start coming to me asking me to give them some sort of guidance. I was also just trying to have a good time and trying to find a balance between doing what I sensed God was calling me to do and yet still not wanting to seem like an oddball or outcast with my friends. But it was the opposite, the friends that I had before I went into the ministry are still my friends now.

The amazing thing is I graduated from Crenshaw as the class clown and at the same time I also had the second highest GPA in my school and gave a graduation speech. Even to this day, I love to have fun and I play hard but I tell people I play hard because I know I’m going to work hard and when it’s time to get down to business I’m going to be serious.

Q: What ministries are offered at Family Of Faith?
A: Our ministry is really designed to meet the needs of the whole family. We have teens church we have our children’s church and a nursery as well as a men’s ministry and a women’s ministry and we have a seasoned saints ministry for ages 55 and up. We try to have something available for every person that walks through the door.

Q: What are the rewards of ministry?
A: Saving people. I marvel when I see men overcome drugs and alcohol and become better fathers and husbands. That's a wonderful feeling. I want to reach everybody so that’s why I’m transparent and tell them I’m also going through some lows in my life and God brought me through it. And to se them come through it and shake my hand and say “Pastor, you were there” that's a great moment.


Pastor Profile Pastor J. Wendell Davis, Ph.D. • New Jericho Baptist Church

Q: What was it like growing up?
A: I was raised in South Central L.A. in a part of town we called the Eastside Bottoms. There was a lot of crime, violence, broken homes, gunshots, and a lot of suppressed people, so to come out of that area is just a miracle. I was involved in gangs, running around the streets, hustling and raised by a single mother with five children. It was tough.

I got baptized when I was seven but that didn't stop me from living an unsaved life. I attended church on Sundays and Bible study during the week but I was still gang banging.

Q: What were you doing when you received the call to preach?
A: I was in Louisiana on vacation. I was drinking and partying. I passed out in my hotel bathroom and God said to me, “Either you stop or I’m going to kill you.” That's the message I got.

I was deacon of a church. People thought everything was together with me but I was wrestling… My wife was beating on the door because she heard the shower running for 45 minutes.     That was only the beginning because we left vacation early and three to four days later I woke up in a cold sweat. I’ll never forget it—I wrote it in my Bible ‘the Lord said preach or die’. And each time I would say, “No, you don't want me to preach,” I couldn't breathe. That was nineteen years ago.

So I sobered up. I didn't go to a treatment program. I went from the extreme left to the extreme right. Finishing education became very important to me. I really focused on my family and doing the right thing. It was tough on my wife. She said “I didn’t marry no preacher” but she came around.

Q: What did you do before founding New Jericho?
A: I used to pastor a very historical church in Los Angeles called McKinley Avenue Baptist Church with some of the most prominent pastors ever in California. When I got there, that was the longest tenure for them in thirty-two years—four years and ten months. I decided to merge that church with another church in L.A., but when a scandal broke out against the other pastor, and I asked him to step down, he wouldn’t. I couldn't afford to risk it so I left. I wouldn't return anyone’s calls after that. Then five years and six months ago we started a church one stormy Sunday with the fifteen people who showed up and after one year we bought a building.

Q: What is your preaching style?
A: I would describe it like my church’s logo: real, relevant and relational—my style would be traditional Baptist and also charismatic but dogmatic and blunt.

Q: What are the challenges?
A: The challenges in Los Angeles are the Lakers, the Clippers, the Kings, amusement parks and Hollywood. The church has to compete with all those activities. The challenge is: how do you hold the people you have, how do you grow and how do you continue to be creative in the mecca of states?

Q: What inspired your book “Healing A Wounded Leader”?
A: It’s inspired by, more than anything, personal experiences in my seventeen years of pastoral leadership and what is needed today in ministry and in effective leadership. It deals with the methods of healing and transforming someone or yourself into an active and effective leader. It’s a resource of tools to help identify wounds and classify wounds as emotional behavior or psychological, physical, sexual or poor lifestyles and hatred.

When we don't properly heal and we find ourselves in a position of leadership, those wounds are exposed. It’s really written open to anyone who is dealing with life issues because all of us suffer with some type of wound.

I tend to write more controversial things that nobody wants to talk about, like addressing the crisis of addiction within the church family and the pastor needing to deal with his issues—then maybe people will understand why so many churches split, why there’s so much gossip on the pastor and so much infidelity, because hurting people hurt people and wounds that are not healed are going to flare up again.

Q: You are very active in the community, what nonprofits are you involved with?
A: I’m Vice President of the Baptist Minister’s Conference of Los Angeles—I’m over Community and Civic engagement and I’m President of the alumni association of the USC Cecil Murray Center. I’m also CEO of Trinity In His House Foundation where we provide two childcare centers (in Compton and Lynwood), a women and children’s center and a men’s transitional housing in Pomona. So I deal with a lot of wounded people everyday.

Q: How do you not take it all home at the end of the day?
A: I’m a counselor and a leader. I have to remain ethical and have moral standards. And because I was raised in such a traumatic environment—my mom being an alcoholic, drug addict and single parent—I overcame so much as a kid. So now dealing with the community, because the church is the whole community, a hospital full of sick people, my own personal healing comes through working with people. Healing people helps heal. It’s very therapeutic.

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